In January 2017 Highland Sugar Gliders imported our first
Carminos and Carmino Het gliders.
On January 20th, 2017, we imported our very first sugar gliders, Carminos and Carmino hets. We had planned on adding three unrelated Carminos and three unrelated Carmino hets to our breeding program. Unfortunately one female Carmino perished in the journey. I will be traveling to Jakarta early this Fall to secure her replacement, and to possibly add some additional gliders to our programs.
Currently we have 2 Carminos and 3 Carmino hets that are each out bred far enough to be considered unrelated. This will give us a wonderful start to establishing out bred breeding lines of this, the rarest color of sugar glider in the world. It is a very exciting time for us.
Below are photos of our new Carmino and Carmino Het gliders. We apologize for the state of their coats. The coats will molt out over the next few months and we'll be posting updated photos in time.
Jaya, Carmino male, imported 1/20/17
Kaen, Carmino male, imported 1/20/17
Jaya and his mate, Jariatih, Carmino Het female
Kaen and his mate, Shinda, Carmino Het female
Rama, Carmino Het male, imported 1/20/17
Carminos - what are they, anyway?
There is some confusion about the color, Carmino, and their origin. So, I thought I'd share some information and show some photos, and set the record straight.
The true Carmino color is the rarest color variation in the world. The coats are clear and pale brown to pale golden brown with darker brown to reddish brown markings. The eyes are clear bright pink to pinkish red.
There is another beautiful and very rare color variation that is allelic to Carmino, the Golden Brown-Eyed Brown mutation. Gliders that have this color mutation are also from the same region and same breeding stocks. Below are photos comparing the two color varieties. Carminos have bright red eyes. The Golden BEB's eyes are brown or brown and garnet (if they are carmino het).
There are some populations in the wild now in Sorong Province, Indonesia, of both the Carmino and the Brown-Eyed Brown color varieties that seem to be stable and breeding well.
Golden Brown-Eyed Brown:
The correct term for the Carmino color variety and mutation is Rufous Albino.
The Carmino mutation is recessive.
Carminos were originally collected in the wild by Danny Gunalen more than a decade ago. Danny Gunalen is a world-renowned naturalist from Indonesia. He breeds rare animals for breeders, for conservation programs, and for zoos and exports all over the world.
Carminos come from Sorong Province in Indonesia, and are a color variation of the other Sorong gliders which are already in our breeding population in the US today.
Contrary to some information out there, Carminos are not from Merauke and are not related to the larger Caramel gliders from Merauke.
Carminos should never be referred to as garnet eyed Caramels.
-- All information regarding the Carminos, their collection sites, and their sub-species status comes from Danny Gunalen, who collected the originals, who breeds these, and who continues to collect these from the wild.
Caramels are another sub-species of sugar glider, Petaurus breviceps flavidus, that are from Merauke. Caramels should never be bred to our other gliders because doing so introduces sub-species sterility.
True Carminos can be bred safely to our US gliders without fearing producing sterility because they are just a different color variety of the same sub-species of sugar glider, Petaurus breviceps breviceps.
There is no cross-species hybrid sterility with breeding Carminos to our other US gliders because they are, in fact, the same sub-species.
Breeding the Brown-Eyed Brown and Carmino Gliders
The other beautiful allelic recessive color mutation of the Carmino mutation is the Brown-Eyed Brown. This other recessive color variety has come up out of the Carmino lines here in the US and in parts of Asia, and is also found in the wild populations in Sorong Province, Indonesia.
Being allelic just means that this is a similar mutation on the same gene that gives us Carmino. In the allelic series, the Brown-Eyed Brown mutation is phenotypically dominant to expression over the Carmino. This just means that Brown-Eyed Brown gliders bred to Carminos will always give you the color, Brown-Eyed Brown.
The allelic color series on this gene is:
Gray (dominant wild-type)
Just as Platinum and Leucistic are alleles of the Leucistic mutation, with Platinum always showing when these two genes are together, Carmino and Brown will do the same with brown always being the dominant phenotype (shown color) when the two genes are together in the same animal. To further explain this series below I show what genes will produce what colors. Note, WTG means Wild Type Gray, BEB means Brown-Eyed Brown.
WTG + Carmino -> gray
WTG + BEB -> gray
BEB + Carmino -> Brown-Eyed Brown
BEB + BEB -> brown-eyed brown
Carmino + Carmino -> carmino
In order to get the gorgeous pink eyes of the true Carmino, both parents must carry the Carmino recessive gene.
Breeding a Brown-eyed Brown to a Carmino will produce all Brown-eyed Brown, 100% Carmino Het offspring.
Breeding Brown-eyed Brown, 100% Carmino Het to Brown-eyed Brown, 100% Carmino het will produce 75% Brown-eyed Brown (2/3 of these will also carry carmino) and 25% Carmino.
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